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they were complex narratives of being

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the Air Force is trying to cover up with

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be very disappointed if UFOs turn out to

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another planet because I think there

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hello everybody and welcome back to the

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it has been a crazy few days for the UFO

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subject with the report dropping and you

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know it's been talked about on all the

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other channels so I feel like I'm

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playing catch up to those guys but you

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know I did want to come on and cover it

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and I've brought two awesome guests with

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me who I'll bring on in one second uh

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just the usual house rules if you could

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keep the chat nice and cool calm and

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collected I would really appreciate that

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it's okay to have differences of opinion

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we all kind of uh take different things

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from this report if anything at all

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because it wasn't exactly uh brimming

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with information but we'll we'll try and

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break it down as best we can from our

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different perspectives

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um I also have an exclusive quote from

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luellizondo I was lucky enough to have a

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chat with Lou about three hours ago

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about the report so lose provided me

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with a short statement which is always

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interesting to to hear that point of

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so yeah any questions that you guys have

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throughout please pop them in capital

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um yeah and they'll we'll try and get to

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them at some point if they're relevant

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to that particular moment I will try my

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best to read them there and then if not

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we'll get to them towards the end of the

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discussion so let's start this off by

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bringing in my guests so first up I'd

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like to welcome Katie Howland Katie how

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are you doing you're doing great thanks

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for having me Vinnie it's my pleasure

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thank you so much I always value your

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your input when we're talking about this

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aspect of the phenomena and others of

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course but yeah I really do appreciate

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you being here uh and next up uh we have

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my good friend Mr Christopher sharp

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Chris welcome back hey brother such

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Delight being here with you and Katie I

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admire you both so much not only is just

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like people who are so well versed in

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this topic but it's just fantastic

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friends and human beings really so thank

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you thank you so much so that's really

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um and yeah it wasn't that long ago you

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ndaa so it's nice to have you back to to

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kind of go over this report and uh Katie

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with your experience on the hill and

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things like that I think it really is uh

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really informative having you here to

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kind of weigh in on what we can kind of

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um so yeah I guess we should just jump

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into it we'll kind of go through it we

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won't read it word for word so if I do

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scroll past anything that you think was

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important please let me know and yeah

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let's let's get to it it was quite I

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and refreshed it and it was there I was

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just like oh here we go

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so uh yeah let's get into it

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am I do you think I'm right in saying

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that the stigma is slightly starting to

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hundred more you know um but that's

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public education on the topic

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submariners which is something which is

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the um the definition and identified

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ndaa so we have seen new language you

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terminology terminology shift from to an

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unidentified anomalous phenomena so I

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regardless but um yeah that's an

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report so positively if it had been

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the doe listed in there which is

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um you know like the course of

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narratives and things like that

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regardless of whether or not that's true

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I don't know

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um but that definitely piqued my

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interest a little bit

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yeah absolutely and already in these

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first few pages we're seeing um Odie and

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I mentioned a lot and there's a lack of

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OU SDI which was something that I know

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Chris you were concerned about and I was

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a little bit the way that the office was

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sat under them so what do we think so

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far with with respect to that do you

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think it's better now that it seems to

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be

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OD and I that's kind of overseeing it if

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I'm using the right words I don't know

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if I am exactly

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yeah yeah sure um so firstly sorry doe

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was mentioned I'm looking at the

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differences between 2020

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22s sorry so I was getting mixed up

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between them

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um it's at odni yeah so they published

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the um 2021 report as well so what

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basically happens is that there the the

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information the data gets given by

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um the office being arrow in in this

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case it was you youaptf back then

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um to the odni and EOD and I just

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coordinate all this stuff basically and

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they

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um agencies and offices as well just to

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ensure that it's all correct and they're

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not not publishing anything they should

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do and they're all coordinating with

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each other before they do this but um

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there's also a process as well I mean

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um

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even though the report has only just

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been given to Congress that there is an

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ongoing process whereby

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um the legislative affairs section of

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odni is liaising with um with Congress

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and staffers just to ensure that it

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matches the the product as they call it

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matches the intent as per the National

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Defense authorization Act

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yeah and I think just to add on to that

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one of the interesting things is when

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you're looking at the scope and

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assumptions page and you look at all of

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the various offices that are listed I

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think the longer you have that paragraph

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the less input the more sanitized this

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report is going to be because you have

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to realize there are going to be people

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in each office who may not be editing

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the final report but have say and have

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um ideas about what should be said and

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shouldn't be said and so I think uh

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we'll talk about you know Dr Sean

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Kirkpatrick's slides later but I think

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what's really interesting is looking at

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the big difference between the two and I

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think a lot of that can really come down

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to the sheer volume of folks in offices

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that have input into this report

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yeah absolutely that is really

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interesting to have kind of both things

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almost released a day after one another

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to then be able to compare the two to

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see the differences it was it spoke

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volumes to to some people uh just

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sticking with this page I found that

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assumptions fairly interesting at the

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bottom saying you know that multiple

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factors affect the observation and

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detection and but then they're going you

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know obviously under the assumption that

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you're getting clear statements from

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these Witnesses you know they're

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actually telling what they saw

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accurately but then the assumptions that

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all the sensor systems are are working

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properly as well and I mean it makes me

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smile because you you would just have to

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assume that this is like multi-billion

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dollar equipment that they're talking

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about I mean how often does it actually

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fail it's it's I I just find it really

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interesting that they word things in

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certain ways yeah well look when when I

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went to the round table

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I asked you know

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um they had seen anything so I'm just

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looking question right now yeah I um I

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said have you detected UAP demonstrating

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technology which you are unable to

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explain because Patrick started going

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into that thing yeah there are some

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interesting Dynamics there with flights

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and then mockery button basically is

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saying but Sean is that partly that that

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that's something to do with um sensor

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phenomenology sir and then Patrick just

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went in that direction which is quite

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funny because that's probably that

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they're trying to gloss it over in the

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words of the odni source that spoke to

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my colleague in October

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um Josh Boswell

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um so they're trying to gloss over and

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also like if you go on to uh page number

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five sorry if you go forward on that

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it's kind of got contradicted because it

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states on there continued reporting and

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robust analysis are providing better

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Fidelity on the UAP events but many

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cases remain unresolved

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so yeah I found that really strange and

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you know we can go back to page four in

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a minute but we're talking about the

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characterizations of all these different

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possible things and then they have to

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caveat by saying initial

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characterization does not mean

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positively resolved it's like well

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what have you done what have you

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actually confirmed like what what are

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you doing what are you saying here I

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can't kind of grasp that really

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honestly it comes down to understanding

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the federal government they are never

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going to definitively say anything

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unless they are 100 sure and so you're

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going to see these these caveats layered

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on caveats

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um because the last thing they want to

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do is say oh yeah 163 were characterized

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as balloons and then have one turn out

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to be something else and then you know

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the media pounces on it so I really

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think what you're seeing here is a lot

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of covering your butt and uh hoping that

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you know they will not have to worry

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about ever being incorrect about

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anything look right here I've got a

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yeah what in the world is a balloon-like

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entity can we just address that one for

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a second like I understand what a

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balloon is a balloon identity not so

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much I mean entity does scream like

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biological

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to me it would that's the first thing I

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think of you know

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um it's just bizarre isn't it what I

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imagine is those like wacky inflatable

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tube guys I've ever seen those in the

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sky

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that's yeah that's just incredible isn't

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it to see that but before we dig any

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deeper on this let's just jump back to

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page

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four so we've got here it's basically

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the establishment of Arrow talking about

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the multi-agency collaborations and

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stuff

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uh yeah I don't think there's much there

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that we can't can really dig deep into I

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suppose Aviation will remain in the

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intelligence community's focal point for

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the UAP issue while arrow is the dod

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focal point for these issues and related

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activities so it does seem that nem

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Aviation is right in there dealing with

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the the IC side of things does that

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surprise anyone at all or is there

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anything you can glean from that

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no I mean I just assume that within the

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odni that's the office that got tasked

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with kind of taking the helm on here

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because I mean you have to realize odini

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is huge so saying that odni is going to

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be handling this is incredibly vague so

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I don't I don't think that's remarkable

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I do think it makes the logo fascinating

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and I do think it makes those patches a

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lot extra valuable I I agree completely

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Chris is there anything you can gain

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from this page in particular that you

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think is worth pointing out

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uh on this particular page

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[Music]

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this wording sorry things right but just

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look in there the broad scope of

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authority granted to Arrow things like

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that it's

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you know

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it's just interesting go on sorry I

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interrupted

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no no

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that's one I mean it speaks for itself

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really I mean Nim Aviation yeah that

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that's interesting

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um I can't really say a lot more about

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that really interesting let's say

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um yeah so

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um yeah I mean there's nothing else I

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can already say

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um on that to be fair but there's a lot

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of technicalities on there

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um so yeah yeah I think you're right I

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think that that's it

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one other thing that jumped out on this

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page to me real quick before everyone

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um when you see in the first paragraph

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Arrow will coordinate with other non-ic

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agencies including non-ic elements of

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DHS that stood out to me um I think what

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they're saying there because

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I believe I could be wrong I believe FBI

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is considered icy

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um so it would fall under odni so

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they're not talking about FBI here I

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think what they're talking about is like

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Customs and Border Protection which

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stood out to me because we're seeing

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lots of reports along the border

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um so that that definitely stood out to

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me and I think that's something

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interesting to pay attention to

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yeah that's definitely interesting yeah

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well if you want to if they want to talk

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about the Border I mean if you think by

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like 2004 limits encounter that was kind

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of like close to the Border as well in

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terms of that area so um I think that's

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quite interesting yeah absolutely

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maybe I'm biased as a San Diego

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border stuff but

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we have had reports of a lot of things

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across the South American Border as well

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Mexico and things like that so it's

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certainly worth bearing in mind and I

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think that was really interesting that I

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wouldn't have been able to break it down

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like that so I find it

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intriguing in the least so anything on

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this page and obviously we've got the

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the numbers here and I think like we

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already mentioned it was interesting to

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see these higher numbers it was good and

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Chris this was something that was

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reported on by yourself and Josh back in

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October and the numbers turned out to be

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pretty much the same as what you

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reported on like back then which then

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makes me think that other things that

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were featured in that story may also

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hold a lot of weight such as you know

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there was that one incident in the

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Middle East with the reaper drones and

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the orbs and that that part we you know

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there was nothing like that featured in

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this report so that to me then puts a

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lot of weight on that particular case

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for example that these things are being

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reported and picked up so how you know

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do you want to speak to that

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absolutely I mean I can't take her in

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for that Josh just got all that that

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really surprised me because we're trying

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to find sources basically to tell us

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stuff and give us the inside story I

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didn't hear from Joshua and it just came

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from nowhere I was like bloody how would

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00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,000
that come from

557
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,400
anyone to get like an odni Source like

558
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,039
that to speak out but I think it was in

559
00:21:33,409 --> 00:21:30,960
answer to

560
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,419
um barnes's article basically and I

561
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,799
think the source themselves said look

562
00:21:39,649 --> 00:21:36,240
they're trying to cross things over here

563
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:39,659
and the source said you know there's a s

564
00:21:44,330 --> 00:21:42,480
hit loads of classified videos that are

565
00:21:45,529 --> 00:21:44,340
pretty profound pretty clear they don't

566
00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:45,539
want to talk about this stuff because

567
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:47,580
they really really don't know what the

568
00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:50,520
hell they are and that's the truth uh

569
00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:52,140
and you've got things like he explains

570
00:21:57,710 --> 00:21:54,659
here you know that um object diving into

571
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,720
the ocean without making a splash

572
00:22:02,090 --> 00:21:59,760
um and that's really interesting because

573
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:02,100
if that's true and we've seen the

574
00:22:05,570 --> 00:22:03,960
Corbell video of that thing going under

575
00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:05,580
the water

576
00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:08,340
without apparent stash although the crew

577
00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:09,780
does say it because that's a term

578
00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:11,640
knowledge for you but he's got a baby

579
00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:14,340
saying it's going underwater but that

580
00:22:19,070 --> 00:22:17,400
contradicts what Moultrie said at the

581
00:22:21,289 --> 00:22:19,080
media round table because he basically

582
00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:21,299
said that we hadn't seen any trans

583
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:22,860
medium

584
00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:28,559
um well any credible reporting anyhow so

585
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:30,600
I mean there's all these qualifiers you

586
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:32,820
know that they're using an incredible

587
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:36,240
reporting not any reporting so yeah I

588
00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:37,500
mean they've got to be really careful

589
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,539
now these people do because you know the

590
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:41,760
new ndaa does make it clear that they're

591
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:43,980
going to be looking at all the times

592
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:46,980
when government officials have misled

593
00:22:51,049 --> 00:22:48,600
um the public when it comes to this

594
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,059
topic so um I would count that as kind

595
00:22:54,770 --> 00:22:52,799
of misleading because even though

596
00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:54,780
they're careful with their statements

597
00:22:59,149 --> 00:22:56,820
the media just tends to run with them

598
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,159
without looking at the nuances and the

599
00:23:02,810 --> 00:23:00,720
same goes to this report as well which

600
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,820
we'll get on to later

601
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:04,320
I think that you brought up a really

602
00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:05,880
good point Chris and this is something I

603
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:07,620
was on a foreign policy podcast a couple

604
00:23:12,289 --> 00:23:09,419
days ago and that was something I

605
00:23:14,690 --> 00:23:12,299
brought up is that I think a lot of the

606
00:23:16,669 --> 00:23:14,700
media the journalists who should know

607
00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:16,679
better who should be digging in piece by

608
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:19,559
piece in these reports they do they zero

609
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,659
in on those little comments and they

610
00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:24,000
don't look at what actually is backing

611
00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:25,860
it up because a lot of times it's very

612
00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:28,200
very different or you know people who

613
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:31,500
are capable of reporting on very nuanced

614
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:33,900
public policy for some reason are

615
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:36,780
incapable of reporting on Nuance in this

616
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,320
topic and that's why you know I I I said

617
00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:43,200
earlier this week print out the report

618
00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:46,380
read it yourself go line by line because

619
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:50,220
oftentimes a single word is important

620
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,620
um in the overall view of it

621
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:54,720
yeah I completely agree and a lot of

622
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:56,760
people were instantly saying well it's a

623
00:24:00,890 --> 00:23:57,960
nothing Burger there's no decent

624
00:24:02,210 --> 00:24:00,900
information and I totally disagree and

625
00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:02,220
then people would say yeah but you're

626
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:04,200
just clutching at straws you know you're

627
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:05,940
naive to think that there's anything in

628
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,340
here and again I disagree it's very

629
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:10,559
difficult isn't it when

630
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:12,659
you know lack of information is also

631
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:14,700
information

632
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:16,200
I mean it just points there's certain

633
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:17,880
things that you

634
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,220
going forward you know yeah this isn't a

635
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:22,559
bombshell and it never was gonna be you

636
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:23,820
know this is clearly laying out

637
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,740
procedures and and things like that

638
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:27,960
moving forward for Arrow and the scope

639
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:30,179
of what they're going to do and and I

640
00:24:33,169 --> 00:24:31,380
found that great

641
00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:33,179
um and just talking about Chris you

642
00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:34,380
mentioned there that there were

643
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:36,179
obviously videos and things that were

644
00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:38,280
analyzed and looked at and we see the

645
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:40,260
lines saying that some UAP appear to

646
00:24:43,789 --> 00:24:42,120
have demonstrated unusual flight

647
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:43,799
characteristics or performance

648
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:46,020
capabilities and require further

649
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:48,179
analysis I mean that's a big line for me

650
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:49,860
personally because it shows that they

651
00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:52,260
are looking at something bizarre

652
00:24:58,010 --> 00:24:54,780
that is the key that is the key line to

653
00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:58,020
me and they they don't they they don't

654
00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:00,539
expand upon that at least the

655
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:02,460
preliminary report that was released in

656
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:05,460
2021 they did talk about some of these

657
00:25:09,529 --> 00:25:07,559
capabilities

658
00:25:11,630 --> 00:25:09,539
um but they don't they don't do it in

659
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:11,640
this one so they're trying to close the

660
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,500
shop when it comes to expanding more on

661
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:15,600
this which is why I found some of the

662
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:19,260
things that occurred recently with John

663
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,720
Radcliffe basically saying look this is

664
00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:23,520
like against the law of physics the

665
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:25,620
things that these things are these

666
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,480
objects are doing so

667
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,559
um I think there's gonna be major

668
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:31,440
pushback by them trying to control this

669
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:33,960
narrative and trying to gloss over as

670
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:36,419
that odnisource said some of the insane

671
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:37,860
things that they've actually been able

672
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,020
to capture so that that's really really

673
00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:41,760
important and that is the one thing I

674
00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:44,279
tried to push on when I actually spoke

675
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,260
to Kirkpatrick and Moultrie and they

676
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:48,480
need to be more they need to be more

677
00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:51,179
open about this I think frankly do you

678
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:52,200
think that they can do that without

679
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:54,600
divulging sources and methods though

680
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:58,500
yeah I think they can look they

681
00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:01,320
they've recently

682
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,419
I mean you look you look time I mean

683
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,880
whether it's the mod where it's the U.S

684
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:07,559
military they'll release videos when

685
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,299
they want when they want to

686
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:10,799
send out message about Russian

687
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:12,179
aggression

688
00:26:17,890 --> 00:26:14,700
um showing you know Russian Jets talking

689
00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:17,900
their own aircraft and other adverse

690
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:21,779
adversary actions taken when it suits

691
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:25,860
them you know and and recently as well

692
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:27,539
with the Ukraine situation they've been

693
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,159
a lot more open in terms of what they

694
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:30,960
can share publicly in terms of their

695
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:33,480
intelligence so they can go that little

696
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:36,299
bit further if they if they want to but

697
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:39,659
for some reason they're not and I think

698
00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:41,580
that's going to cause problems going

699
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:43,740
forward and people aren't going to trust

700
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:45,000
them because there is a lack of

701
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:46,620
transparency

702
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:48,900
um regarding this process and it's it's

703
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:51,539
not good and the key question is you

704
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:52,320
know

705
00:26:56,930 --> 00:26:55,320
um what is this you unusual

706
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,940
what are these unusual flight

707
00:27:02,870 --> 00:26:58,799
characteristics performance capabilities

708
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:02,880
and do you believe that any foreign

709
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:06,000
Nations or adversaries are capable of

710
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:09,779
this capability or technology that's the

711
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:11,159
key question

712
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,900
well and I I think it's important to

713
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:15,600
remember two things on this one is that

714
00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:17,880
the US government is never going to

715
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:19,860
share information just for the heck of

716
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:22,140
it you know what I mean it's they're

717
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:23,340
going to share information when there's

718
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:25,740
a strategic advantage to do so so for

719
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,419
example one of the things I saw in here

720
00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:29,520
was actually no I'm sorry this was in

721
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:31,940
the Kirkpatrick slides concern over

722
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:34,980
whether or not our our allies or

723
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,279
adversaries might misattribute a UAP to

724
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:40,559
U.S tech which could be very provocative

725
00:27:45,769 --> 00:27:43,620
right and so I think there we need to

726
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,779
realize that there may be times when we

727
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,000
share information not because we care

728
00:27:52,909 --> 00:27:50,760
about disclosure but because we want to

729
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,919
make something very clear that hey we

730
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,720
weren't buzzing your nuclear facilities

731
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:57,120
you know like like don't don't go to war

732
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:58,860
with us about this

733
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:02,159
um so that's number one and number two

734
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:03,960
is something that I completely forgot

735
00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:05,880
and it just left my room don't worry

736
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:07,500
chime in if it comes back into effect

737
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:09,480
don't worry don't worry

738
00:28:12,169 --> 00:28:11,159
I suppose the other thing that jumped

739
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:12,179
out to me on here was that they're

740
00:28:15,409 --> 00:28:13,500
saying that the majority of the new

741
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:15,419
cases came from the both the Air Force

742
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:16,740
and the Navy and then obviously in the

743
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:19,260
preliminary preliminary assessment there

744
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,940
was a certain lack of the Air Force

745
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:22,740
involvement so you know I think we've

746
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,539
been crying out for that but I I'm not

747
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,640
convinced 100 that it's just all of a

748
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:28,320
sudden they're just talking and

749
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,100
collaborating any thoughts on that

750
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:35,159
I want to know where space force is true

751
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:37,559
that's a great question yeah good point

752
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,750
thought worse

753
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:44,159
um yeah I highly doubt that suddenly

754
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:46,980
after 70 years they're just perfectly

755
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,980
um compliant uh but yeah we're missing a

756
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,360
couple branches there

757
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,580
I'd maybe maybe Marines have seen

758
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:55,320
something I don't know um but I would

759
00:29:00,049 --> 00:28:56,520
like to

760
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,059
space force especially considering there

761
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:02,220
might be some very intelligent people

762
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:04,860
working for space force on this topic so

763
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:07,380
I'm very curious about that

764
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,900
yeah absolutely Chris any thoughts on

765
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,039
the Air Force

766
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:13,500
so on space wars firstly yeah multiple

767
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:16,559
people told me that space force are

768
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:18,299
studying this and this is why Louis

769
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:21,000
zande was was working there as well for

770
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:22,980
my understanding that there is an

771
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,659
ongoing effort with space force so I

772
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:25,919
just don't know when they're going to

773
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:28,980
publicly acknowledge that

774
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,559
um but we'll we'll have to see

775
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:34,380
um in terms of U.S Air Force yeah so it

776
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:37,620
confirmed to me that it did not extend

777
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:39,899
its pilot program

778
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,899
um to look into UAP hotspot like I think

779
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:45,840
it was a particular UAP hotspot so

780
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,320
um that was interesting so I I don't

781
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:51,120
understand where the Air Force is at at

782
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:52,620
the moment currently

783
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:54,840
um in terms of this because

784
00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:56,820
I don't know if my understanding the

785
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,159
stigma is still attached to the topic of

786
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:00,960
in the Air Force so I don't know how

787
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,600
many new cases are going to get reported

788
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:06,480
um as compared with the U.S naval Navy

789
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:09,539
which is doing more to help erase the

790
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,840
stigma so I I mean it is definitely an

791
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:15,360
interesting situation but from my

792
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:16,740
understanding

793
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,860
um one uaptf is getting started it

794
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:21,840
looked like the

795
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:25,140
um US Air Force was going to start

796
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:27,720
um cooperating with them and working

797
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:29,700
together with them but then all of a

798
00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:31,740
sudden they just did a complete U-turn

799
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:33,260
and

800
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:35,640
umap topic again

801
00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:38,039
yeah yeah absolutely

802
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,299
um now just this last bit at the bottom

803
00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:40,559
of the page this partnership's in

804
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:42,419
collaboration it was good to see the FAA

805
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:44,520
and NASA mentioned but I found it

806
00:30:48,769 --> 00:30:45,899
interesting where they said that Aria is

807
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:48,779
working closely with OSD PA and Mission

808
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:50,820
Partners to develop information sharing

809
00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:52,740
and messaging strategy that aims to

810
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,460
maximize transparency I mean okay if you

811
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:59,039
say so while maintaining appropriate

812
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:00,779
protections of sensitive sources and

813
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:02,940
methods okay that I did like to see that

814
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:05,340
word transparency in there but but at

815
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:07,260
least give us something with it it's

816
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,059
easy to type that in a report yeah

817
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:12,000
exactly I I I'm sorry I called

818
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,700
it's the the public affairs office their

819
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,279
goal isn't to be transparent their goal

820
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:20,399
is to manage the message uh so I think

821
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:23,399
that's just a cut and paste uh

822
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,500
communication strategy thing that you

823
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,600
could probably find in many DOD reports

824
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:29,640
cool good to hear that from you yeah

825
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:32,880
that makes sense I suppose and then page

826
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:35,760
six uh they mentioned the first time

827
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,380
here about communication with Allied

828
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:39,840
Partners regarding UAP now we've not

829
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:41,700
really heard that much we did hear a bit

830
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:44,340
out of Canada towards kind of well last

831
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:46,200
year there was a few conversations we

832
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,299
know that had and I think am I writing

833
00:31:51,889 --> 00:31:49,440
saying that

834
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:51,899
there were briefings held between I

835
00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:53,520
don't think it was Kirkpatrick it might

836
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:55,620
have been someone before him do you know

837
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,779
about that Chris at all can you confirm

838
00:32:02,810 --> 00:31:59,640
that and I'm sure there was a briefing

839
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:02,820
between whoever was running the UFO

840
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:05,580
sorry the UAP office last year it might

841
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,620
have been aim SOG I'm not sure

842
00:32:12,769 --> 00:32:09,059
Chris do you know anything about that

843
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:12,779
yeah from my understanding it was um

844
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:15,299
uh yeah it was reported that there had

845
00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:17,520
been a briefly briefing

846
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:20,039
um that took place with Canada's

847
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:23,760
um mod on the topic from understanding

848
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:28,320
and that was confirmed by Susan Goff as

849
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,640
well

850
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:31,679
um so so that has taken place I mean

851
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:34,500
this is a really really vital question

852
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:37,620
in terms of what topic let's say in

853
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:40,860
terms of collaborating with allies and

854
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:43,919
partners is so vital because I mean just

855
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:45,419
keep that port in your head but let's

856
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,140
just say there's so many theaters within

857
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:52,320
the past 20 years that the US and its

858
00:32:57,789 --> 00:32:54,779
partners and allies have been operating

859
00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:57,799
joint kind of like um

860
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,899
joint operations let's say and then LBC

861
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,360
we had the Firebase Alliance as well

862
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,279
where information about to say that

863
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,860
mm-hmm yeah I would expect I would

864
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:09,360
expect that it would be five eyes

865
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,820
exclusively at this point

866
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:13,679
um at least formally speaking I'm sure

867
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:15,659
there are small side conversations that

868
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:16,620
happen

869
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:17,820
um but and for those of you who aren't

870
00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:19,500
familiar with five eyes it's basically

871
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:20,940
the closest

872
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,940
um uh information and intelligence

873
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:25,919
sharing agreement we have it it's it's

874
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,559
for the five basically majority

875
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,440
English-speaking countries the US UK

876
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:34,320
Canada New Zealand Australia I'm not

877
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:36,059
missing yeah it's fine that's it yeah I

878
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:37,440
know that's it

879
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,940
um so that's what you would expect is

880
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:40,320
that most of the intelligence will be

881
00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:42,179
shared with those countries that we have

882
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:44,100
our closest relationship with in terms

883
00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:46,200
of intelligence yeah and when you know

884
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:48,299
after we we mentioned Canada but then

885
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:49,620
you know you look to the UK and there's

886
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,000
no conversation Happening Here

887
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:53,640
whatsoever New Zealand again very quiet

888
00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:55,860
I mean in Australia it's been good to

889
00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:58,019
see Senator Peter wish Wilson kind of

890
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,600
pushing uh the conversation out there

891
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,880
he's not got a lot out of them but it's

892
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,559
good to see someone in

893
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,480
um you know with his authority trying to

894
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,919
have the conversation and I think we

895
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:10,320
need that more here in the UK about

896
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:12,359
everywhere but you know at least they've

897
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:14,520
got something someone doing positive

898
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,399
stuff in Australia so yeah that's

899
00:34:21,169 --> 00:34:19,740
interesting uh then finally I'm here

900
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:21,179
we're talking about the flight safety

901
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,859
concern turns which I think are obvious

902
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,960
to anybody who's been following this

903
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:27,240
subject now and and heard of the work

904
00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:28,859
that Ryan Graves has been doing on that

905
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:31,859
that aspect of uh UAP but then this bit

906
00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:34,919
at the bottom where you know there have

907
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:36,540
been no encounters confirmed to

908
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:38,580
contribute directly to adverse health

909
00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:40,919
related effects

910
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:42,839
um which okay I mean a lot of these

911
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:45,480
cases were just from the year but I mean

912
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,530
yeah Chris I'll let you go first

913
00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:56,159
yeah yeah so the key word being here

914
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:58,520
enough qualifier direct

915
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:01,080
and confirmed

916
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:06,900
um it's yeah it's very very it's meant

917
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,520
to be like that it's it's phrased like

918
00:35:12,589 --> 00:35:10,680
that for a good reason but I mean I

919
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:12,599
think Lila zondo

920
00:35:16,609 --> 00:35:14,040
um suggested that

921
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,619
Health implications where that

922
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,240
um Pilots were aviated they were

923
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,640
aviators would be up in the sky

924
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:22,740
um there would be

925
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:26,480
lost time events so where

926
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,460
they would um they would like lose a

927
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:30,960
minute or something in the sky and they

928
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,000
wouldn't know where that time went

929
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:36,000
um and it would be because I think it

930
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:38,579
would be like okay I burn

931
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:42,000
through no it's one minute forward but I

932
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:43,440
burnt I haven't burnt through that much

933
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,700
fuel or something like that some

934
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:47,520
discrepancy between the time and the

935
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,040
fuel that they had been and that led

936
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,320
some they were aviators to believe that

937
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:54,000
they had lost track of time and then

938
00:36:00,890 --> 00:35:55,260
there was

939
00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:00,900
as well that was reported by some Navy

940
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:03,180
Naval aviators

941
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:05,460
um which I think related to

942
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,380
um to to incidents involving UAP

943
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,240
um and possible microwave damage as well

944
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:15,599
so I think those would be the things

945
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:16,680
um I could

946
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,579
be Health implications from UAP

947
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:22,800
um yeah it's very interestingly word it

948
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:25,380
definitely it's it's something to look

949
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,820
out for in the future and I'm hoping

950
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,740
that as more progress has been is being

951
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:31,020
made on this topic and arrow gets its

952
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:33,420
act together that we can get some more

953
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:36,060
definitive conclusions on this

954
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,460
absolutely and you know I I think those

955
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:40,560
two words are what stuck out to me as

956
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:41,339
well

957
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:43,020
um putting my epidemiologist hat on

958
00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:46,140
though I also it was a little irritated

959
00:36:52,030 --> 00:36:48,740
because what we really need is we need

960
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:52,040
epidemiologists to study this for

961
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,420
decades because what we see a lot of

962
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:57,359
times as the type of exposures that uh

963
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,119
UAP experiencers have are typically in

964
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:01,680
the radiation

965
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:02,940
um

966
00:37:09,849 --> 00:37:06,660
symptomology and we know for a fact well

967
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:09,859
we know based on anecdotes that

968
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,900
experiencers have high amounts of

969
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:15,119
autoimmune and cancer clustering these

970
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,160
are changes that happen over years

971
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:19,920
decades even and so I think what we need

972
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:22,500
to do is really make sure that for folks

973
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:25,140
who are having these encounters we're

974
00:37:29,810 --> 00:37:27,540
following their records

975
00:37:32,089 --> 00:37:29,820
um for a while and that's not a cheap

976
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:32,099
thing to do and it probably won't happen

977
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:34,200
but if we're really serious about

978
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,700
looking into this that's what we would

979
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,920
look at because it's just impossible to

980
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,320
say at the exact time whether or not

981
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,000
there was any impact to human health

982
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,520
there's a lot of cellular changes that

983
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,260
could happen that we're not going to see

984
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:48,839
immediately it's really important as

985
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:51,060
well for Pilots near wavy eaters and

986
00:37:54,829 --> 00:37:52,320
their families to understand what

987
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:54,839
they're getting into when they sign up

988
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,140
to to serve their country I I feel

989
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,480
um you know you look back on decades ago

990
00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:01,920
when the nuclear tests were being

991
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:03,300
carried out and

992
00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:06,540
now you've got lots of um people who

993
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,000
took part in those tests and they've got

994
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,760
horrible diseases from it

995
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,160
um and at the time the risks weren't

996
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,440
made clear and that seen as a scandal

997
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:18,480
and I think that we could potentially

998
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,220
see something similar if it is found

999
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,560
conclusive that there are health related

1000
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,720
impacts from UAP

1001
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:26,880
yeah absolutely I appreciate you both

1002
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:28,980
talking about that I mean we only have

1003
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,940
to look at what happened with John

1004
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:31,920
Burris following rendersham the amount

1005
00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:34,140
of years and decades he had trying to

1006
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,119
get his medical records and some kind of

1007
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:38,160
reimbursement through you know as a

1008
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,359
veteran so

1009
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:41,040
yeah it'd be interesting to see how that

1010
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:43,020
develops in any more future reports and

1011
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,260
the work that Arrow are doing so yeah so

1012
00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:48,480
moving on to the summary here I mean the

1013
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:50,099
first line stating about the hazard to

1014
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:52,500
flight safety I like how they put a pose

1015
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,599
pose a possible adversary collection

1016
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:56,640
threat because people still see that

1017
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:58,020
word threat and they still don't

1018
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,220
understand that we're not talking about

1019
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:01,560
an alien invasion here we're still

1020
00:39:08,569 --> 00:39:05,220
talking about defense and the Department

1021
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:08,579
of Defense doing their job by you know

1022
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,440
you can't just assume that these things

1023
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:12,480
they're not a threat we're the threat to

1024
00:39:16,510 --> 00:39:14,579
humanity you know we've got to get past

1025
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:16,520
that so that's good to see that it was

1026
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,560
defined a bit better

1027
00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:21,119
um but they're saying as well that you

1028
00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:22,859
know the reporting is due to the dis

1029
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,400
because the efforts trying to destigmat

1030
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,560
stigmatize the topic okay that's good to

1031
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:30,240
hear as well

1032
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,960
um

1033
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:33,180
yeah if any of you guys can pull

1034
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:34,560
anything out of there that you think is

1035
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:37,560
worth mentioning uh I see at the bottom

1036
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,200
the coordinated coordinated efforts it

1037
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:42,000
does from the the wording in the last

1038
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:45,060
paragraph sound like they're starting to

1039
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:47,880
identify the solutions going forward the

1040
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:49,740
procedures and processes it doesn't

1041
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,800
sound like they are you know established

1042
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:54,960
in any way so it'll be interesting to

1043
00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:55,740
see

1044
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:57,660
come the end of June I believe when we

1045
00:40:01,190 --> 00:40:00,119
are likely to get another report Vinnie

1046
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,200
are you expecting the federal government

1047
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,359
to work quickly because I got news for

1048
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:08,630
uh no I just real quick you pointed out

1049
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,260
that posing the possible adversary

1050
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,359
collection threat I don't know exactly

1051
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:14,579
what was meant by that but I would say

1052
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,119
that I I kind of inferred that pop

1053
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:20,640
perhaps they're concerned about our

1054
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:22,619
adversaries getting their hands on this

1055
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,900
technology and the technological

1056
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,599
disadvantage that would put us at

1057
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,760
um not a not a happy thing to think

1058
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,480
about

1059
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:32,579
um but that is definitely what hurts my

1060
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:34,859
ear up I think is what I got from that

1061
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:36,839
the possible adversary collection is

1062
00:40:40,849 --> 00:40:39,000
could these could they be just thinking

1063
00:40:43,970 --> 00:40:40,859
about drones over nuclear facilities

1064
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:43,980
collecting data on our systems and

1065
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,619
capabilities maybe absolutely

1066
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,480
interesting how it can be looked at

1067
00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:50,160
differently they love this vague

1068
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,220
language don't they

1069
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,599
Chris anything you could kind of glean

1070
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:55,920
from that at all

1071
00:41:00,410 --> 00:40:58,920
yeah yeah I would like to think that

1072
00:41:03,410 --> 00:41:00,420
China

1073
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:03,420
or Russia hasn't consistently in

1074
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:06,540
constantly throughout the past maybe

1075
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,820
perhaps 10 years and going on to this

1076
00:41:13,089 --> 00:41:10,800
day probably still

1077
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:13,099
um on the East Coast being sending

1078
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,660
drones or balloons whatever on the east

1079
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:17,520
coast to spy on

1080
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:21,780
um U.S Navy Naval aviators conducting

1081
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,359
um conducting training missions and I'd

1082
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:26,160
like to think that that hasn't been

1083
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,339
happening so long and that still despite

1084
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,500
all this and despite Ryan Gray's coming

1085
00:41:36,849 --> 00:41:33,599
out in 60 minutes that this is

1086
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:36,859
continuing to happen despite it being

1087
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:39,720
adverse through you know adversaries

1088
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,839
perhaps spying on us I mean to think

1089
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,400
that something would have been done by

1090
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,800
now if it was just simple you know

1091
00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:49,440
balloons or drones

1092
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:52,740
um doing that and um to my knowledge

1093
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,660
um from from what's being made public

1094
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:56,880
Naval aviators aren't aware that it's

1095
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,760
Chinese or Russian as well so yeah

1096
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,619
that's really important I think you know

1097
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:03,119
as well I'd like to say that I was

1098
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:04,859
disgusting it was a very very bright

1099
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:07,500
person the other day about

1100
00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:11,520
this other angle that China and other

1101
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,400
nations may may be looking into

1102
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:18,960
um their own kind of like crash

1103
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,420
retrievals let's say if any other

1104
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:23,460
countries have

1105
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:26,280
alleged craft

1106
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:30,119
then that is definitely a threat

1107
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,520
um because I mean whoever gets this

1108
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:34,440
technology first kind of like rules the

1109
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:37,500
world basically and China for instance

1110
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,619
has the world's largest UFO organization

1111
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:42,900
it's like one million over one million

1112
00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:43,880
members

1113
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:47,099
and each one of them has to have like a

1114
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:49,800
degree and have a written paper so these

1115
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:52,260
are highly qualified people and the

1116
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,780
stigma is not as big in China they just

1117
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:56,880
want to look at the data and look at the

1118
00:43:01,370 --> 00:43:00,660
raw facts and also in China as well and

1119
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:01,380
um

1120
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:04,020
I guess not so much Russia considering

1121
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,520
what's happened in the intelligence

1122
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:07,920
front but in China they're able to keep

1123
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,960
things very very tight in terms of

1124
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:12,000
secrecy as well so you could possibly

1125
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,980
have a huge number of people looking

1126
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:16,020
into possible

1127
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,800
um craft and studying it and that kind

1128
00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:21,599
of being kept

1129
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,460
um Loctite and

1130
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:26,480
if that is true that there are you know

1131
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:30,180
craft of possible alien origin and the

1132
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:32,760
Us and other nations have that

1133
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:35,400
have these Craft

1134
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:38,760
um then China perhaps has a real real

1135
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,400
um Edge on everyone else

1136
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:44,160
yeah I you're completely right Chris and

1137
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:45,960
I I think one of the biggest arguments

1138
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:47,220
against

1139
00:43:50,809 --> 00:43:49,140
um the majority of these reports being

1140
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:50,819
Russian attack is the Ukraine war first

1141
00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:54,540
of all uh if you can't get a tank across

1142
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,819
a creek then I highly doubt you're

1143
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,280
shooting down UFOs and have your own

1144
00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:00,720
technology

1145
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:01,260
um

1146
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,720
you know I I'm a little more cautious on

1147
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:05,640
this I think that

1148
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:08,280
look there's bound to be some Chinese

1149
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:10,500
drones i i in with it within these

1150
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,540
reports there really are

1151
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,400
um they're rapidly expanding their

1152
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:16,800
technological capabilities

1153
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:18,420
um especially on the west coast I would

1154
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:21,480
not be shocked but like you said they

1155
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:24,359
have this huge this huge organization

1156
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,040
they have

1157
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,079
um a clear interest in this topic so

1158
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:30,420
they wouldn't be investigating this

1159
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,760
topic if it was all them and so I think

1160
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,440
it's we have to be very careful to

1161
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:36,960
recognize that look some of these are

1162
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,780
bound to be a drone here or there that's

1163
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,240
okay we expect that

1164
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:45,240
um but arguing that all of this can be

1165
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:46,980
explained by Foreign adversary attack or

1166
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:49,260
black Tech maybe one or two sightings

1167
00:44:53,809 --> 00:44:51,480
are maybe there's one class of sighting

1168
00:44:55,849 --> 00:44:53,819
that is uh black Tech that doesn't mean

1169
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,859
that all of it can be explained in that

1170
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:56,880
way

1171
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:59,400
um but yeah I personally am very

1172
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,079
concerned about the Chinese government

1173
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:03,420
and how they are are looking at this

1174
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,180
topic I think it's probably our biggest

1175
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:09,200
threat at the moment in terms of the UAP

1176
00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:13,260
discussion and I I I think what we are

1177
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:15,900
really seeing is

1178
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,220
a huge imbalance in stigma because of

1179
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,800
the Robertsons panel right

1180
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:24,240
um a lot of other countries that didn't

1181
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:26,040
have those efforts to intentionally

1182
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:28,260
destigmatize or intentionally stigmatize

1183
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,260
the topic don't have the same Hang-Ups

1184
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:33,839
that we have in the US and it's really

1185
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:35,640
going to harm our national security so

1186
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:38,220
we've got to put our pedal to the metal

1187
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:39,660
on this

1188
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,359
um or we're going to be outmaneuvered

1189
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:44,400
yeah well said I completely agree on

1190
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,540
that

1191
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:47,040
um just looking here at page eight I

1192
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:48,420
believe that was just what was laid out

1193
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:52,079
in the ndaa for fiscal year 2022

1194
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:53,339
um so we don't need to kind of pull

1195
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,599
anything from that correct me if I'm

1196
00:45:58,910 --> 00:45:55,920
wrong but I'm pretty sure that's all

1197
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,920
that was just in in the ndaa

1198
00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:00,000
um

1199
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:03,180
here we go uh unclassified I think that

1200
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:05,460
again is still the end of that I I just

1201
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:08,640
would refer people to to the ndaa or to

1202
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:10,440
go and look at that themselves

1203
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:12,660
uh establishment of the office and

1204
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,960
duties based again on the ndaa and and

1205
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:17,760
what they were asking them to do and

1206
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:19,500
develop

1207
00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:21,480
there's your key terms

1208
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,460
and it's interesting that top one there

1209
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:24,960
range Fowler and then we happen to see

1210
00:46:29,809 --> 00:46:26,700
the release of these

1211
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,819
well I think was it 70 or 90 redacted

1212
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,980
range Fowlers uh appear yesterday

1213
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,079
including the Nimitz and stuff I found

1214
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:36,720
that really interesting uh I had a brief

1215
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:38,339
look and couldn't really get much

1216
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:40,140
information out of them because of the

1217
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:43,020
heavily redacted areas but it was it it

1218
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:44,700
just seems that we get things like all

1219
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:46,619
in a little bunch and things seem to

1220
00:46:51,550 --> 00:46:50,280
drop at the same time it's it's strange

1221
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:51,560
yes

1222
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:55,380
there we go I think that is that so

1223
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:57,180
is there anything anyone wants to say

1224
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:00,300
before I move on

1225
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:03,180
yeah I would just say that

1226
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:07,020
um just going back to the page

1227
00:47:12,849 --> 00:47:11,280
where they say page five where they say

1228
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,859
that um

1229
00:47:17,770 --> 00:47:15,180
arrows initial analysis and

1230
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:17,780
characterization of the 360 Community

1231
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:20,099
identified reports informed by a

1232
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:22,740
multi-agency process judge more than

1233
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:25,020
half as exhibiting unremarkable

1234
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:26,700
characteristics it's very very important

1235
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,660
because

1236
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,000
this is just initial

1237
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:32,640
analysis and characterization as it says

1238
00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:35,099
yeah and then in the paragraph after

1239
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:38,180
that it um

1240
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:41,460
it basically states that um

1241
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,640
oh it says it hasn't been positively

1242
00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:47,040
identified

1243
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:49,140
um yeah positive yeah so initial

1244
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,520
characterization does not mean

1245
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:53,280
positively resolved or identified

1246
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:55,140
so that's really really important like

1247
00:47:59,329 --> 00:47:57,720
Katie was saying before that media tend

1248
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:59,339
to be quite lazy so they'll just say oh

1249
00:48:03,309 --> 00:48:01,800
yeah more than half of them are balloons

1250
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:03,319
or drones

1251
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:05,940
and stuff like that so that that's

1252
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:09,060
really important um and I'll point back

1253
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,540
to the um the case the Omaha Case of

1254
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,119
West Coast that came out

1255
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:18,480
um with the the pyramid as it's been

1256
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:19,380
said

1257
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:20,040
um

1258
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:22,260
grown or UAP you have a you want to look

1259
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:23,160
at it

1260
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:24,359
um I think there's still a lot to be

1261
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:27,720
said on on that case and as you would

1262
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:29,339
remember

1263
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:32,700
um Scott Bray and the dod have stated

1264
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:34,680
that these things are

1265
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:37,319
um unmanned aircraft systems

1266
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,960
so I want to ask a question I have asked

1267
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,040
a question

1268
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,440
was this just an initial analysis and

1269
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:45,960
characterization of this case and has it

1270
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,680
been positively resolved or identified I

1271
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,480
think that's very very important I mean

1272
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:54,240
if it is China and you don't know where

1273
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:55,859
it came from

1274
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,740
and you've not managed to

1275
00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:00,480
um fight you know you've not managed to

1276
00:49:03,230 --> 00:49:02,220
find the original and prove that it's

1277
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:03,240
Chinese

1278
00:49:07,609 --> 00:49:05,700
that's really really bad and if it was a

1279
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:07,619
Chinese this looks like really really

1280
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,680
next gen technology especially if the US

1281
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,900
can't explain it

1282
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,160
um to start off with I mean it's only

1283
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,800
recently they've said it it's uas and we

1284
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,440
don't Nerf that Stephanie uas or not but

1285
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:21,900
if it was their technology why would

1286
00:49:28,329 --> 00:49:24,060
they be flaunting it around the US

1287
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:28,339
fleets so that it could be shot down

1288
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:31,020
a lot of stuff still doesn't make sense

1289
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:32,220
to me

1290
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:34,200
I mean that's the tagline for this whole

1291
00:49:38,329 --> 00:49:36,060
this whole discussion right and lots of

1292
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,339
ones that make sense I I think that if I

1293
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:39,839
was a professional staffer right now

1294
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:42,780
looking at this I would see the number

1295
00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:45,060
of reports in a single year and I would

1296
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:47,579
say there is no way they have enough

1297
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:50,520
resources to adequately investigate

1298
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:52,560
these cases because the positively

1299
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:55,140
identified caveat I think is really

1300
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:56,579
interesting for us because we're like oh

1301
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,680
great they're not done but in

1302
00:50:01,849 --> 00:50:00,240
practicality what that means is they're

1303
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:01,859
putting that on a shelf because they

1304
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:04,619
don't have the manpower to investigate

1305
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:08,099
every single case to its conclusion

1306
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:09,839
right I mean if you're looking at 500

1307
00:50:14,809 --> 00:50:12,540
some odd cases a year you're talking

1308
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:14,819
about multiple cases a day are you

1309
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:16,680
telling me that in a couple hours

1310
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:18,420
they're solving some of these really

1311
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:20,579
difficult cases no way and so what

1312
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:21,900
they're doing is they're putting them

1313
00:50:26,089 --> 00:50:24,359
into a bucket and saying okay we think

1314
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:26,099
we know what these are we can't say for

1315
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:27,660
sure but we really need to focus on

1316
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,640
these ones that are really obvious and

1317
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:31,920
interesting and in that process we could

1318
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,560
be missing a lot of information and so

1319
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,480
what I really see with this is the need

1320
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:38,640
for better Appropriations better

1321
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:40,260
Manpower

1322
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:42,540
um expanded scope of authority if they

1323
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:43,619
show that they're doing their job

1324
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:47,280
diligently and um honestly and so if I

1325
00:50:53,569 --> 00:50:51,180
was Arrow I would be clamoring telling

1326
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,579
Congress give me more money give me more

1327
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:55,440
stuff let us investigate this well

1328
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:57,420
because this should be something that

1329
00:51:01,069 --> 00:50:59,880
every defense official wants to expand

1330
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:01,079
my office

1331
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:04,559
and so I I hope that's what happened but

1332
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:07,140
you know if the goal isn't actually to

1333
00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:08,940
be transparent and solve this that'll

1334
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,579
become very obvious because any

1335
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:13,200
intelligence officer would look at this

1336
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:18,059
and go we need better better analysis

1337
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:21,300
here here yep very very good very good

1338
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:23,400
point uh before we move on to the

1339
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:24,839
slideshow I'm just going to read out a

1340
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:27,240
couple of comments questions that I've

1341
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:29,460
collated from the live chat first up

1342
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:31,619
Jonathan Davis says I'd ignore this

1343
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:33,480
report the next one is the first chance

1344
00:51:37,250 --> 00:51:34,920
we get to see what this team will

1345
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:37,260
produce based on the new more powerful

1346
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,960
Congressional requirements absolutely I

1347
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:41,520
think that that that's really going to

1348
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,619
be the test isn't it

1349
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:45,960
um Lord bass says do you do you think

1350
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:48,839
they would admit if it were adversary

1351
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:52,200
probably not not publicly no because

1352
00:51:57,770 --> 00:51:55,260
that would say we can't control what's

1353
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:57,780
in us guys we are not that good at

1354
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:00,720
defending the country uh

1355
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:04,559
yeah that's uh interesting uh next up

1356
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,020
Susan goff's time traveling agent says

1357
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:08,880
has there been any information released

1358
00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:11,700
on how long the classified report is no

1359
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:13,800
I have not heard how long it is I've had

1360
00:52:17,650 --> 00:52:16,200
a few conversations but not about the

1361
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:17,660
length

1362
00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:22,200
yes according to the sources that Josh

1363
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,300
my memory is correct I think it was

1364
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:27,359
double at least double in terms of pages

1365
00:52:36,890 --> 00:52:34,430
interesting I need to have a look back

1366
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,900
at that and circle around but I think

1367
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:39,119
uh Susan gough's time traveling agents

1368
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:40,980
thank you for the kind donation yep hit

1369
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:42,300
that like button and spread the news

1370
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,800
indeed people

1371
00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:46,559
and finally Echoes In loaf I says is the

1372
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,839
US defense Bill properly scrutinized or

1373
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:51,599
investigated as the nuts and bolts the

1374
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:53,339
way I see it is that there is funding

1375
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:55,140
going to certain groups who have all the

1376
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:57,240
answers

1377
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,460
uh well first of all I would say the the

1378
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,980
ndaa doesn't allocate funding so that's

1379
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:03,839
an authorizations bill

1380
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,420
um so that just allows these offices

1381
00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:07,920
um and

1382
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:11,579
um uh programs to exist we need to look

1383
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:13,260
at the Appropriations Bill and see how

1384
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,059
much they're actually going to be given

1385
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,760
to carry this out a very common trick in

1386
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:20,040
Washington is to say sure we'll start

1387
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,140
this office and then we'll give you two

1388
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:24,240
million dollars to do it

1389
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:25,380
um and that would be really really

1390
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:27,180
obvious so that's what I would pay

1391
00:53:30,109 --> 00:53:28,500
attention to

1392
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:30,119
excellent

1393
00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:32,099
right before we do move on I am just

1394
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:34,440
going to quickly read out Lou Lou's Lou

1395
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,180
Alexander was kind enough to give me a

1396
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:37,920
quote regarding

1397
00:53:43,309 --> 00:53:40,980
uh I guess his views on on the UAP

1398
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:43,319
report so let me just bring that over so

1399
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:47,040
thank you I know it's I I Lou is always

1400
00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:49,319
very generous with his time and uh

1401
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:51,480
providing me with uh you know short

1402
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:53,700
videos or quotes so yeah I really

1403
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:56,280
appreciate it so Lou says first of all I

1404
00:53:58,910 --> 00:53:57,540
would like to extend a thank you to

1405
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:58,920
Vinnie and Chris for their tireless

1406
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:00,660
efforts involving this topic over the

1407
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:03,240
past few years thank you and of course a

1408
00:54:05,809 --> 00:54:04,559
big thank you to your audience who

1409
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:05,819
continue to put pressure on our

1410
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:08,040
government to pursue this issue people

1411
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:10,740
in high places are listening this report

1412
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,599
is yet another incremental step forward

1413
00:54:17,650 --> 00:54:15,599
towards real transparency from 144

1414
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:17,660
unknown events to now over 500

1415
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,980
personally I expect this trend to only

1416
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:22,559
increase with time we must also remain

1417
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,540
Vigilant and remind ourselves of what

1418
00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:26,160
Chris Mellon said in his most recent

1419
00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:28,020
article the more we look up the more

1420
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:30,300
things we are going to see some will

1421
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:33,480
have prosaic explanations some won't it

1422
00:54:36,290 --> 00:54:34,980
is these that remain completely out of

1423
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,300
the realm of our current technology

1424
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:38,640
Paradigm that we must focus on and not

1425
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:40,200
allow ourselves the temptation of

1426
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,300
writing off the truly unexamined as

1427
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,119
simply a mirage or atmospheric anomaly I

1428
00:54:49,390 --> 00:54:47,760
trust our Pilots to win our Wars I also

1429
00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:49,400
trust our Pilots to tell the truth

1430
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,900
lastly I trust our Pilots know the

1431
00:54:57,609 --> 00:54:53,520
difference between a seagull and

1432
00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,890
amazing thank you Lou so much so yeah

1433
00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:02,579
it's good to always get a statement from

1434
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:04,140
Lou on his thoughts on what's Happening

1435
00:55:06,490 --> 00:55:05,040
so

1436
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:06,500
yeah

1437
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:10,800
that's great uh right so you know one

1438
00:55:13,609 --> 00:55:12,300
thing I will say as well is that the

1439
00:55:14,990 --> 00:55:13,619
Chris mellon's article was really

1440
00:55:16,849 --> 00:55:15,000
interesting pulling out his key

1441
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:16,859
takeaways that is linked in the

1442
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:18,420
description for people to go and take a

1443
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:20,220
look at as well as the couple of the

1444
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,660
videos that have cropped up with John

1445
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,480
Radcliffe Andre Carson in the media the

1446
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:26,400
last day or two go and check those out I

1447
00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:27,599
was gonna play them but then I was

1448
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:29,460
worried about copyrights and all this so

1449
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:31,079
I just recommend people go and check

1450
00:55:35,569 --> 00:55:33,540
them out for themselves and uh take what

1451
00:55:38,829 --> 00:55:35,579
you will from it because it you know it

1452
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:38,839
was very interesting uh let's move on to

1453
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:41,599
Kirkpatrick's slideshow

1454
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:45,000
uh here we go

1455
00:55:51,230 --> 00:55:48,300
uh and this was a lot better I can't

1456
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:51,240
remember if anyone can who he presented

1457
00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:52,859
it to I did have it written down and I

1458
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:54,059
can't remember where I wrote it down it

1459
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:55,040
was yeah

1460
00:56:01,730 --> 00:55:58,800
yeah and it's an aviation as well was it

1461
00:56:06,049 --> 00:56:01,740
a civil aviation group maybe right so

1462
00:56:11,809 --> 00:56:09,170
I guess it really lays out Arrow

1463
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,819
maybe in an easier to understand uh

1464
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:14,160
terminology compared to the uh mishmash

1465
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:17,400
of the UAP report so um

1466
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,559
yeah you guys feel free if there's

1467
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:21,420
anything that jumps out to you I did

1468
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:23,460
like on this that it really clearly did

1469
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,040
say anomalous spaceborne Airborne

1470
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:29,280
Seaborn or trans medium like just right

1471
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:31,500
in your face was just brilliant on the

1472
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,020
get-go I think Chris mellon's really

1473
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,960
excited he finally saw spaceborne yeah

1474
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:38,880
he's been really favoring that for a

1475
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,099
while now so it's nice to see

1476
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,720
um and then also it you know going on to

1477
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:44,400
say that something is not attributable

1478
00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:47,400
at attribute attributable to known

1479
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,280
actors or causes so you know really

1480
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:52,079
laying out that this is for genuine

1481
00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:54,660
unidentified anomalous objects so

1482
00:56:59,390 --> 00:56:57,180
yeah that's great

1483
00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:59,400
um and it says here complex hazards and

1484
00:57:02,809 --> 00:57:01,140
threats across service Regional and

1485
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:02,819
domain boundaries

1486
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,579
yeah very interesting language

1487
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:06,960
uh

1488
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:11,760
there's anything you really want to sort

1489
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:13,800
of pick out please I might miss it so go

1490
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:15,300
ahead

1491
00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:16,559
um

1492
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:18,900
talking about characteristics behavioral

1493
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:21,180
technical physical

1494
00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:26,630
I don't know what they mean by the

1495
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:29,579
disposition that's observed phenomena I

1496
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:31,260
mean do they mean characteristics I mean

1497
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:33,180
because that's that's not what they oh

1498
00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:34,140
no that's not what they mean because

1499
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:36,059
that's a separate bullet point in the

1500
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:37,200
very beginning so I want to know what

1501
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:38,640
the disposition is

1502
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:40,260
but it's nice in the vision to see that

1503
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:41,160
they're talking about greater

1504
00:57:44,890 --> 00:57:42,780
transparency now does that mean greater

1505
00:57:49,450 --> 00:57:44,900
transparency within the IC and the dod

1506
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:49,460
or outside into public

1507
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,020
I think that's keeping it internal still

1508
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,010
yeah yeah absolutely

1509
00:58:05,270 --> 00:57:59,599
um

1510
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,280
got given the slides from

1511
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:06,720
Sue as well

1512
00:58:12,049 --> 00:58:09,420
[Music]

1513
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:12,059
yeah I mean

1514
00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:16,160
any assess technological gap between the

1515
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,380
phenomena and the United States on page

1516
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:21,599
three

1517
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,460
um in terms of vulnerabilities that's

1518
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,680
really important and it was quite

1519
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:27,119
interesting because Radcliffe when he

1520
00:58:30,349 --> 00:58:28,800
was speaking today was saying that this

1521
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,359
is technology that we don't possess we

1522
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:33,119
need to know that and he was questioning

1523
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:34,920
that the term foreign as well whether

1524
00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:36,780
that be a government or something else

1525
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:38,460
it was like okay what do we mean by the

1526
00:58:42,109 --> 00:58:40,500
definition of foreign now although I'd

1527
00:58:44,569 --> 00:58:42,119
say in the report it's made quite clear

1528
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,579
that it's foreign government but um it's

1529
00:58:48,970 --> 00:58:46,799
another term to look out for in terms of

1530
00:58:53,289 --> 00:58:48,980
them trying all right technology

1531
00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:53,299
Florida it could be a synonym for aliens

1532
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:55,380
I thought this line was interesting

1533
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:56,819
where it says threats to the immediate

1534
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,680
safety of U.S citizens and government

1535
00:59:01,970 --> 00:59:01,200
facilities across domains is priority I

1536
00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:01,980
mean

1537
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:03,540
that's the first time I've ever seen

1538
00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:05,460
them say anything about any kind of

1539
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:06,900
possible

1540
00:59:12,049 --> 00:59:09,780
threat or lack of safety to General

1541
00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:12,059
citizenship of a country I mean that's

1542
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:14,520
scary yeah and what's really interesting

1543
00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:15,900
is like coming from a military

1544
00:59:20,450 --> 00:59:17,579
intelligence background if they were

1545
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:20,460
talking about like military Pilots or

1546
00:59:23,569 --> 00:59:21,180
something like that they would say

1547
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:23,579
service lovers so the the use of the

1548
00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:25,740
term or Warfighter or something like

1549
00:59:30,589 --> 00:59:27,420
that they use the term citizen is very

1550
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,599
interesting absolutely just address this

1551
00:59:34,330 --> 00:59:32,339
would you mind Chris were these slides

1552
00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:34,340
leaked as a Counterpoint to the report

1553
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:36,119
[Music]

1554
00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:39,920
so what happened was that he gave it

1555
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:42,780
Wednesday that he gave the presentation

1556
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,079
and yeah I was trying to get in touch

1557
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:48,960
with the uh with the organizers to see

1558
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:51,240
if I could perhaps watch it live and

1559
00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:52,859
then they were basically saying oh we're

1560
00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:54,839
not doing it as a live stream I was like

1561
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:56,099
okay cool

1562
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,020
um and then I contacted Susan Goff

1563
01:00:01,970 --> 01:00:00,240
slides but I mean Dean Johnson has

1564
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,980
already releasing by the time

1565
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:03,839
um Susan gave them to me and

1566
01:00:07,789 --> 01:00:05,880
unfortunately they had no transcript for

1567
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,799
this event either which is quite

1568
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,599
disappointing but you know if there's

1569
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:11,040
anyone out there that was there for this

1570
01:00:15,289 --> 01:00:13,619
event that wants to uh talk to me

1571
01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:15,299
um please come forward and um yeah

1572
01:00:19,069 --> 01:00:17,579
message me up on Twitter yeah just

1573
01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:19,079
confirm it was January the 11th

1574
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:22,920
Wednesday the 11th uh I believe it was

1575
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:26,809
yeah Katie there's that line that you

1576
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:27,780
were talking about earlier the

1577
01:00:31,730 --> 01:00:29,640
consequence of such moderate to high

1578
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:31,740
potentially leading to adversarial

1579
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,780
misattribution of UAP to the United

1580
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:35,040
States

1581
01:00:40,030 --> 01:00:37,079
so yeah that's yeah I mean that could

1582
01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:40,040
that could be catastrophic I mean

1583
01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:43,020
we know that the UAP are coming into our

1584
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:44,280
country and buzzing nuclear

1585
01:00:49,069 --> 01:00:46,500
installations imagine if they think that

1586
01:00:51,289 --> 01:00:49,079
we're doing that in Iran right or or

1587
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:51,299
something like that that would be very

1588
01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:53,940
volatile and sensitive yeah and then

1589
01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:56,700
that section of the sorry go on sorry

1590
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:59,160
no no no go for it I just wanted to

1591
01:01:02,089 --> 01:01:00,720
highlight that uh below there in the

1592
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,099
bottom right where it says allies and

1593
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:04,319
strategic competitors apply resources to

1594
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,260
observe identify and attribute UAP and

1595
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:09,359
that link there is actually a link to to

1596
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:11,220
a Chinese site

1597
01:01:16,089 --> 01:01:13,740
so

1598
01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:18,349
it's already thrown up a security

1599
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,280
warning so I'm not going to do it right

1600
01:01:24,289 --> 01:01:22,559
now but that was really that's the only

1601
01:01:27,230 --> 01:01:24,299
Link in the entire

1602
01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:27,240
slideshow that you know external link

1603
01:01:33,549 --> 01:01:29,819
and it's to Chinese yeah it's it's yeah

1604
01:01:36,049 --> 01:01:33,559
makes you ask a lot of questions yeah

1605
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:36,059
if I was a lobbyist I'd be looking at

1606
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:37,740
how much money the Chinese are putting

1607
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,680
onto this and I would go to the members

1608
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:42,240
of Congress and say oh you really want

1609
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:43,740
to spend less than Chinese or spending

1610
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,460
on this

1611
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:47,280
that would be my strategy so I I don't

1612
01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:49,260
know if we if we have information on

1613
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,420
what the dollar sign is behind the

1614
01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:54,000
Chinese effort but that's an easy way to

1615
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:56,700
get uh members of Congress on your side

1616
01:02:01,609 --> 01:01:59,460
yes

1617
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,619
absolutely yeah I think um China calls

1618
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:03,599
are unidentified is it like air

1619
01:02:07,309 --> 01:02:05,400
conditions

1620
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:07,319
um yeah unidentified air conditioners

1621
01:02:12,410 --> 01:02:10,680
that's how the Chinese refer to as the

1622
01:02:15,950 --> 01:02:12,420
people's Liberation Army no connection

1623
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:15,960
to Liberation Times by the way uh

1624
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:18,780
pretty interesting but I mean I wrote an

1625
01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:21,839
article on Fry on Friday so apparently

1626
01:02:25,849 --> 01:02:23,460
tomorrow the decision is going to be

1627
01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:25,859
made in terms of the

1628
01:02:29,210 --> 01:02:26,460
um

1629
01:02:30,589 --> 01:02:29,220
the the UN decision for San Marino

1630
01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:30,599
whether they press ahead of it which

1631
01:02:36,530 --> 01:02:33,180
should be quite exciting and this whole

1632
01:02:40,030 --> 01:02:36,540
effort can trace its origins in China

1633
01:02:43,309 --> 01:02:40,040
because in 2018 a bunch of like Chinese

1634
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:43,319
researchers for some reason decided to

1635
01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:45,359
do these huge like

1636
01:02:50,270 --> 01:02:48,780
um symposiums on on UFOs

1637
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:50,280
um one being held in I think it's

1638
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:51,839
Chongqing

1639
01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:54,420
um China and the other in Moscow and

1640
01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:56,339
Russia it was kind of like a joint kind

1641
01:02:59,950 --> 01:02:59,160
of like Russian Chinese initiative and I

1642
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:59,960
mean

1643
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:02,640
yeah from the footage you can find it

1644
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:04,200
online I'm hoping it's still there but

1645
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,420
you can see like the one in Moscow and

1646
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:08,160
you've got a whole bunch of like

1647
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,400
military in there like soldiers

1648
01:03:16,609 --> 01:03:14,160
um their uniforms on and they've got

1649
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:16,619
um they've got Russian cosmonauts

1650
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:18,180
present as well and they've got big

1651
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:20,099
Industries and represent

1652
01:03:24,829 --> 01:03:22,140
you know representatives there from from

1653
01:03:27,010 --> 01:03:24,839
different fate um trade federations and

1654
01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:27,020
stuff and um there's a really big

1655
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,599
well-organized thing and um what they

1656
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:32,160
did was they got lots of representatives

1657
01:03:36,289 --> 01:03:33,420
from different countries like Gary

1658
01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:36,299
hasseltine from the UK for example I

1659
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:37,980
think they they bought him over for one

1660
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:41,099
of the events and the plan was to have a

1661
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:42,420
third

1662
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:45,599
um event in heze in China

1663
01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:48,960
um and the plan was at that event to

1664
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:51,000
actually come up with a plan and

1665
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:52,799
coordinate going to the United Nations

1666
01:03:57,530 --> 01:03:55,440
to get the sport out of the UN and this

1667
01:03:59,690 --> 01:03:57,540
is crazy because as you would know like

1668
01:04:02,410 --> 01:03:59,700
nothing in China happens if you don't

1669
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:02,420
have the um

1670
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,920
exactly if if you don't have the

1671
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,720
government saying it's okay then you

1672
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,640
can't do it so I just thought this was

1673
01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:10,799
really interesting and all of a sudden

1674
01:04:15,049 --> 01:04:12,900
this thing just fell away

1675
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:15,059
um so I think there's a big undercurrent

1676
01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:18,720
of um of interest in China which is yeah

1677
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:20,040
which may be bigger than some of us May

1678
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:22,920
me May realize

1679
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:25,200
well and honestly like I'm I'm shocked

1680
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:27,119
by that I'm shocked that the Chinese and

1681
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,880
the Russians want to take this to the

1682
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:31,200
U.N

1683
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:32,700
um because I know that like in the US

1684
01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:35,160
for example while there may be

1685
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:37,140
um positives to going to the UN and

1686
01:04:39,950 --> 01:04:38,460
sharing information with our allies and

1687
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:39,960
whatnot there's going to be a big group

1688
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:42,359
of people that say no we're not sharing

1689
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:43,740
any information with anyone we don't

1690
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:45,299
want to you know that that loses our

1691
01:04:48,109 --> 01:04:46,980
strategic Advantage

1692
01:04:50,030 --> 01:04:48,119
um so

1693
01:04:52,010 --> 01:04:50,040
yeah I'm really interested in what the

1694
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:52,020
Chinese and Russians think they can gain

1695
01:04:56,990 --> 01:04:53,940
from that you know like what's what's

1696
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:57,000
their end game is it is it truly just oh

1697
01:05:00,530 --> 01:04:58,740
yeah we want to be partners with

1698
01:05:01,609 --> 01:05:00,540
everyone and get the information I don't

1699
01:05:05,329 --> 01:05:01,619
know

1700
01:05:06,589 --> 01:05:05,339
um but I would be a little skeptical I'm

1701
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:06,599
always a little skeptical of these

1702
01:05:09,170 --> 01:05:07,380
things

1703
01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:09,180
um but it'll be interesting to see

1704
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:10,680
that's not to say that I don't think the

1705
01:05:13,549 --> 01:05:12,180
UN initiative is a good idea I think

1706
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,559
it's a great idea

1707
01:05:17,390 --> 01:05:15,119
um but I think everyone's going to come

1708
01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:17,400
to that with different motivations and

1709
01:05:20,089 --> 01:05:19,260
different expectations of what they get

1710
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:20,099
out of it

1711
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:22,319
yeah no definitely

1712
01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:24,839
now this page really stood out to me a

1713
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,299
few points in that first box there it's

1714
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,280
talking about capability capabilities

1715
01:05:33,950 --> 01:05:31,200
for optimized cross-functional UAP

1716
01:05:35,329 --> 01:05:33,960
detection tracking mitigation and

1717
01:05:38,569 --> 01:05:35,339
Recovery

1718
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:38,579
uh so of course that really screamed you

1719
01:05:47,930 --> 01:05:43,920
know recovery of UAP okay okay okay okay

1720
01:05:51,470 --> 01:05:47,940
uh probably done it before

1721
01:05:52,190 --> 01:05:51,480
maybe yeah you never know

1722
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:52,200
um

1723
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:53,880
and then this second one revealing and

1724
01:05:58,430 --> 01:05:55,920
exploiting Elusive and enigmatic

1725
01:06:02,030 --> 01:05:58,440
signatures through Advanced Technologies

1726
01:06:06,109 --> 01:06:02,040
which is you know exploiting

1727
01:06:08,750 --> 01:06:06,119
hmm yes that that that's really really

1728
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,760
interesting I mean

1729
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:10,799
um one of the first articles on

1730
01:06:16,730 --> 01:06:14,460
Liberation times was was done by Bob

1731
01:06:21,049 --> 01:06:16,740
liskin who's the former

1732
01:06:23,950 --> 01:06:21,059
um Marine intelligence officer and that

1733
01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:23,960
was all about signature management

1734
01:06:29,809 --> 01:06:27,420
and uh yeah that that's really really

1735
01:06:31,970 --> 01:06:29,819
interesting it was kind of like um I

1736
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,980
think on the East Coast if you if you

1737
01:06:35,809 --> 01:06:33,359
look at what's out there in terms of

1738
01:06:37,630 --> 01:06:35,819
public information it seemed as though

1739
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:37,640
that there was a certain degree of

1740
01:06:43,130 --> 01:06:39,900
signature management taking place that

1741
01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:43,140
we couldn't explain

1742
01:06:47,390 --> 01:06:45,900
um so yeah that that's that's really

1743
01:06:49,490 --> 01:06:47,400
really interesting there and if you're

1744
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,500
getting into it from an intelligence

1745
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:50,960
perspective

1746
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,940
that's one of like the key the key

1747
01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:55,680
things

1748
01:06:59,089 --> 01:06:57,480
um because in the last report it said

1749
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:59,099
the uaptf

1750
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:01,680
TF holds a small amount of data that

1751
01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:03,960
appear to share UAP

1752
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:06,119
um demonstrating

1753
01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:08,940
acceleration or degree of signature

1754
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:11,700
management so yeah signature management

1755
01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:14,400
is basically used in the military and

1756
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:16,619
defense context as a signature would be

1757
01:07:21,529 --> 01:07:18,780
any manner of identification that can be

1758
01:07:23,329 --> 01:07:21,539
detected by an adversary so an example

1759
01:07:25,549 --> 01:07:23,339
would be considered a signature for

1760
01:07:27,890 --> 01:07:25,559
example that would be a read or

1761
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:27,900
cross-section active or passive signal

1762
01:07:33,049 --> 01:07:30,720
submitted infrared emissions or even

1763
01:07:35,329 --> 01:07:33,059
distinctions that can be seen visually

1764
01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:35,339
meaning an identification can be made

1765
01:07:40,609 --> 01:07:37,980
and um by the way those are not my own

1766
01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:40,619
words there's a block I'm not that

1767
01:07:47,089 --> 01:07:44,700
intelligent so no no so that I think

1768
01:07:49,609 --> 01:07:47,099
that's like a really really important

1769
01:07:52,849 --> 01:07:49,619
um thing to kind of like hone in on

1770
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,859
yeah absolutely absolutely

1771
01:07:55,789 --> 01:07:54,240
and then on this next box the

1772
01:07:57,490 --> 01:07:55,799
interdisciplinary analysis you know

1773
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,500
talking about peer-reviewed conclusions

1774
01:08:02,029 --> 01:08:00,480
uh using the scientific and intelligence

1775
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:02,039
method I mean that's what we always want

1776
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:03,599
isn't it we want

1777
01:08:08,029 --> 01:08:06,240
peer-reviewed work to be done on this

1778
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:08,039
subject and you know

1779
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:13,549
in the US

1780
01:08:18,169 --> 01:08:15,000
Zoom

1781
01:08:20,269 --> 01:08:18,179
to see a legitimate Journal

1782
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,279
you know like let's let's because that's

1783
01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:22,319
how good science is done

1784
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:23,460
um you know we've talked about this a

1785
01:08:28,729 --> 01:08:26,219
lot uh but we have to be able to

1786
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:28,739
use our scientific resources in this

1787
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,880
country we have some of the best

1788
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,920
scientists in the world and we're not

1789
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,319
utilizing their expertise because we're

1790
01:08:38,150 --> 01:08:36,480
not allowing this process to actually go

1791
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:38,160
through peer review which strengthens

1792
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:39,960
our assessment and our analysis of

1793
01:08:45,289 --> 01:08:43,259
capabilities yeah absolutely

1794
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:45,299
and in this last box the thing the two

1795
01:08:48,769 --> 01:08:47,100
small parts that stood out to me were

1796
01:08:50,209 --> 01:08:48,779
obviously transparency building trust

1797
01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:50,219
and transparency but the fact that it

1798
01:08:53,689 --> 01:08:52,440
mentions oversight authorities you know

1799
01:08:55,070 --> 01:08:53,699
it's nice to know that they're aware

1800
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:55,080
that there are people looking over their

1801
01:08:58,849 --> 01:08:56,640
shoulder and breathing down their necks

1802
01:09:00,650 --> 01:08:58,859
you know that that really is important

1803
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:00,660
so

1804
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:03,420
yeah what a great page that is

1805
01:09:08,030 --> 01:09:06,359
yeah absolutely

1806
01:09:10,370 --> 01:09:08,040
oh and then this next one is obviously

1807
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:10,380
talking about educating aviators and and

1808
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:11,520
Crews

1809
01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:13,440
so the fact that it's talking about

1810
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:16,259
sharing UAP data you know uh with

1811
01:09:20,269 --> 01:09:18,600
aviators it's like like this is what

1812
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:20,279
you've got to look out for and showing

1813
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,480
them like

1814
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,239
really interesting stuff like that that

1815
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:25,679
you know that's kind of what I gleaned

1816
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:27,900
from that uh just obviously help them

1817
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,420
identify and Report things better uh

1818
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:32,400
encouraging reporting destigmatizing

1819
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:34,020
these are all buzzwords that we like to

1820
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:36,660
hear but I still for some reason a part

1821
01:09:40,970 --> 01:09:39,000
of me is still not convinced over you

1822
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:40,980
know in the grand scheme of things

1823
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,809
yeah yeah I think there's questions over

1824
01:09:51,050 --> 01:09:49,679
this I mean there's two distinct things

1825
01:09:52,849 --> 01:09:51,060
are happening at the moment obviously

1826
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,859
Kirkpatrick's focusing here in this

1827
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:54,960
presentation about the active

1828
01:09:59,810 --> 01:09:57,120
investigation

1829
01:10:02,270 --> 01:09:59,820
um which is ongoing in terms of events

1830
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,280
that are being reported but there's a

1831
01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:04,560
there's another stream of things so even

1832
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,300
if you're not

1833
01:10:11,930 --> 01:10:09,600
totally won over by this

1834
01:10:13,390 --> 01:10:11,940
The Whistleblower stuff is going to be

1835
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:13,400
huge

1836
01:10:19,490 --> 01:10:16,920
I mean you've got Chris Mellon someone

1837
01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:19,500
of his position using those last lines

1838
01:10:24,110 --> 01:10:22,020
when he's talking about his key

1839
01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:24,120
takeaways from this report stating that

1840
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,940
you know he knows the number of um

1841
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,800
you know whistleblowers basically uh

1842
01:10:33,950 --> 01:10:30,719
coming forward that know a lot about the

1843
01:10:36,169 --> 01:10:33,960
crash retrieval programs potentially

1844
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,179
um and reverse engineering programs so

1845
01:10:39,950 --> 01:10:38,400
that that's really really huge so I

1846
01:10:42,110 --> 01:10:39,960
think my key takeaway for anyone who

1847
01:10:44,810 --> 01:10:42,120
feels that look arrows could do anything

1848
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:44,820
it's going nowhere well first it's been

1849
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:48,719
taken out of ousdins from asserting a

1850
01:10:53,689 --> 01:10:49,980
step which is great news which is

1851
01:10:58,189 --> 01:10:56,330
um and you know secondly I think we've

1852
01:10:59,689 --> 01:10:58,199
got this other thing which could blow a

1853
01:11:01,070 --> 01:10:59,699
lid on this whole thing in terms of the

1854
01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:01,080
whistlebler stuff

1855
01:11:04,729 --> 01:11:02,760
yeah I mean melon actually used the

1856
01:11:07,550 --> 01:11:04,739
words alien technology I do believe as

1857
01:11:10,689 --> 01:11:07,560
well he did absolutely getting excited

1858
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:10,699
isn't he he's getting excited yeah

1859
01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:13,800
sorry but he's also he's also very very

1860
01:11:18,410 --> 01:11:16,199
cautious in his writing and he doesn't

1861
01:11:19,970 --> 01:11:18,420
he doesn't throw around a word without

1862
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,980
thinking about it and thinking about the

1863
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:21,360
ramifications of it so I think that's

1864
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:24,060
important absolutely yeah he's like

1865
01:11:27,649 --> 01:11:25,980
Chris melon is someone who is he's

1866
01:11:29,149 --> 01:11:27,659
probably written a few of these similar

1867
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:29,159
reports like this before you know that

1868
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:31,560
go to like the the top of the top in

1869
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:33,060
terms of like presidents and stuff like

1870
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,380
that so

1871
01:11:38,930 --> 01:11:36,480
his wording the way that he's been

1872
01:11:40,729 --> 01:11:38,940
trained you have to always take that

1873
01:11:43,250 --> 01:11:40,739
into context and

1874
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:43,260
um yeah so like Katie said it's hugely

1875
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:46,500
important the words that he chooses

1876
01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:48,420
yeah absolutely just wanted to highlight

1877
01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:50,760
this comment from JD he says

1878
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,640
the UAP Jia TF was much more informative

1879
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,440
compartment I wonder if Dr Sean

1880
01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:57,360
Kirkpatrick has read into it SEC death

1881
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:00,060
and communistratcom were

1882
01:12:04,729 --> 01:12:03,600
hmm dot jitatf cropped up I think it was

1883
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:04,739
towards the end of last year and I can't

1884
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,080
remember where but it's interesting to

1885
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,360
know how much Kirkpatrick has been

1886
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:12,480
brought up to speed as someone new to

1887
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:14,280
the study of UAP and running an office

1888
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:17,400
around UAP what's what historical

1889
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:19,380
stuff have they shared or maybe more the

1890
01:12:22,669 --> 01:12:20,580
question is what has he actually caught

1891
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:22,679
up with if he's been handed a whole lot

1892
01:12:27,050 --> 01:12:24,360
of stuff and he's had a limited time to

1893
01:12:31,149 --> 01:12:27,060
look into it I think that's really a

1894
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,450
yes that was like what louisando

1895
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:37,679
um was quoted as saying

1896
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:40,800
um in my most recent story

1897
01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:41,640
um

1898
01:12:46,490 --> 01:12:44,820
so it was like now that arrow is no

1899
01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:46,500
longer under the chain of command of my

1900
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:49,980
old office the ausdi I would support

1901
01:12:55,610 --> 01:12:52,860
increased authorities to Dr Kirkpatrick

1902
01:12:58,430 --> 01:12:55,620
in order to identify all U.S government

1903
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,440
equities both past and present who may

1904
01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:00,719
have been slash are involved in UAP

1905
01:13:05,229 --> 01:13:02,760
studies so yeah you're definitely on the

1906
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:05,239
right lines there yeah

1907
01:13:09,169 --> 01:13:07,080
I was just going to say he's just

1908
01:13:11,149 --> 01:13:09,179
clarified that the ji ATF was the Navy

1909
01:13:12,590 --> 01:13:11,159
compartment from submarine sensors so

1910
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:12,600
thank you JD

1911
01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:15,000
sorry yeah I would say that the no no I

1912
01:13:20,750 --> 01:13:18,900
I would say that the 2023 ndaa

1913
01:13:23,689 --> 01:13:20,760
um I believe it was this year that

1914
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:23,699
assigned the uh Arrow Authority directly

1915
01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:27,480
to dubsec uh depsect def Kathleen Hicks

1916
01:13:31,970 --> 01:13:30,120
I'd say that is very uh indicative of

1917
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the fact that he hopefully is getting

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that

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um Kathleen Hicks is one smart cookie

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01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:39,300
and she doesn't take a lot of

1921
01:13:44,330 --> 01:13:42,420
um so you know if there was anyone that

1922
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:44,340
this office should report to I am

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01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:51,290
she's great yeah

1924
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,860
here we go then what kind of information

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01:13:57,229 --> 01:13:54,719
would be necessary and sufficient for

1926
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,239
UAP analysis so this is great how it

1927
01:14:00,350 --> 01:13:59,280
breaks down the multi kind of the

1928
01:14:02,689 --> 01:14:00,360
different angles that they can collect

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01:14:04,430 --> 01:14:02,699
data to look at and analyze and

1930
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,440
the interesting thing that's in the UAP

1931
01:14:08,330 --> 01:14:06,960
report it did say in one of the parts

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01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:08,340
that it seemed that there was not enough

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01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:11,100
data or information to do a you know a

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01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:13,320
good analysis on it but

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01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:14,760
I think

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01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:17,340
the the probably is you know they've got

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01:14:20,810 --> 01:14:18,900
the witnesses they've got the sensor

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01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:20,820
data because census was mentioned so

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01:14:24,669 --> 01:14:22,860
many times in that report but it was

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01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:24,679
skipped over it was just yeah sentences

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01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:26,760
you know I think the fact that they're

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01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:28,980
talking about census so much they must

1943
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:31,140
have so much information but

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01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:32,940
this is good and then again about the

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01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:35,060
Observer we're talking about uh

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01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:37,380
physiological psychological or other

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01:14:41,209 --> 01:14:39,120
effects apparently corresponding to the

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01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:41,219
UAP observation so they're definitely

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01:14:46,130 --> 01:14:43,260
highlighting the health effects here

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01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:46,140
there must be something to it you know

1951
01:14:50,570 --> 01:14:49,140
it's not just a what if there's no

1952
01:14:51,890 --> 01:14:50,580
health effects but report all the health

1953
01:14:54,649 --> 01:14:51,900
effects

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01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,090
he's quite quite interesting because

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01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,560
you'll remember with the um the the

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01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:00,960
Nimitz case Kevin Day basically said

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01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,120
that they acted as if they wanted

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01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:05,520
nothing to do with us

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01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:07,080
um and it looks as though like on the

1960
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:08,880
East Coast as well that

1961
01:15:13,850 --> 01:15:11,760
you know they don't they seem quite

1962
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,860
indifferent these objects

1963
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,080
um although from a sense of uh relating

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01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:18,480
to Signature management

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01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:19,860
um I think it was Chad Underwood that

1966
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,020
says you can see queues of jamming on

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01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,239
both your radar and your flare tape

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01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:26,640
which is quite interesting as well

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01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,440
absolutely and I think you know we could

1970
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:30,000
literally break down this page but we're

1971
01:15:33,649 --> 01:15:31,199
not I'm not going to go to Every point

1972
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,659
but this this UAP Behavior indicating

1973
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:35,280
whether it is apparent intelligent

1974
01:15:41,149 --> 01:15:38,340
control response to Observation which is

1975
01:15:43,310 --> 01:15:41,159
very interesting uh Observer yeah

1976
01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:43,320
response to observation and or Observer

1977
01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:44,940
presence and apparent indications of

1978
01:15:50,030 --> 01:15:47,460
indifference or hostility I mean yeah

1979
01:15:52,250 --> 01:15:50,040
all of those little points are just so

1980
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:52,260
valid and so important I mean yeah it's

1981
01:15:58,130 --> 01:15:55,560
just it's such a a rich slideshow and

1982
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,140
again guys the report and this slideshow

1983
01:16:01,850 --> 01:16:00,239
if you haven't got them already the

1984
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:01,860
links are in the description of this

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01:16:06,530 --> 01:16:04,199
video for you yourselves to go and uh

1986
01:16:09,649 --> 01:16:06,540
print out like Katie says read each line

1987
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:09,659
and peruse and form your own conclusions

1988
01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:11,940
and you know that that's the end of the

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01:16:15,950 --> 01:16:13,860
slideshow but you know

1990
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:15,960
again it's just so interesting that

1991
01:16:21,649 --> 01:16:18,840
there's the two documents are are so

1992
01:16:23,149 --> 01:16:21,659
different in their kind of writing and

1993
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:23,159
scope

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01:16:25,550 --> 01:16:24,540
so yeah

1995
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:25,560
um

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01:16:28,669 --> 01:16:27,060
do you think there's anything we haven't

1997
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:28,679
touched upon that's worth mentioning

1998
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,480
that's maybe just come out of this week

1999
01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:32,640
anything that's said in the media please

2000
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:33,900
go for it

2001
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,560
I'm Joey Carson man dropping dropping

2002
01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:39,600
that that word

2003
01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:41,340
um I think it's very interesting that

2004
01:16:46,189 --> 01:16:44,040
we're now talking about debris and you

2005
01:16:49,149 --> 01:16:46,199
said the debris wasn't interesting which

2006
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:49,159
wasn't notable

2007
01:16:53,689 --> 01:16:51,480
notably alarming so what do you think

2008
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,699
about being used no to be alarming what

2009
01:16:57,169 --> 01:16:55,440
in the world is it then because if it's

2010
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,179
not notably alarming it's probably not

2011
01:17:01,130 --> 01:16:59,520
UAP it means we know what it is right so

2012
01:17:03,890 --> 01:17:01,140
like I have that just doesn't make any

2013
01:17:05,649 --> 01:17:03,900
sense to me and I also want to know who

2014
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,659
cleared him to talk about that because

2015
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,400
that is a huge admission that we have

2016
01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:10,080
some sort of debris

2017
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:11,640
of something

2018
01:17:16,370 --> 01:17:14,040
yeah absolutely so if you saw something

2019
01:17:18,110 --> 01:17:16,380
that they got from Roswell like decades

2020
01:17:20,930 --> 01:17:18,120
ago it's like oh yeah we pulled this out

2021
01:17:22,729 --> 01:17:20,940
would you be notably alarmed knowing

2022
01:17:24,590 --> 01:17:22,739
that it's been in possession for decades

2023
01:17:26,930 --> 01:17:24,600
but no I wouldn't because it's not going

2024
01:17:29,810 --> 01:17:26,940
to do anything to us I'm not alarmed oh

2025
01:17:31,070 --> 01:17:29,820
my God what's he gonna do it's not two

2026
01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:31,080
senses there isn't there from a

2027
01:17:34,850 --> 01:17:32,580
congressional standpoint in terms of

2028
01:17:37,550 --> 01:17:34,860
you've not told us that's alarming

2029
01:17:41,450 --> 01:17:37,560
you've not told us that he said like

2030
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,460
well you've had it for decades so yeah

2031
01:17:45,229 --> 01:17:43,679
that's that's how I saw it in that way

2032
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:45,239
it's not that he's not we're not alarmed

2033
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:46,440
by it because we're not worried about

2034
01:17:50,030 --> 01:17:47,760
what it's going to do or any

2035
01:17:51,770 --> 01:17:50,040
implications from that aspect So and

2036
01:17:54,050 --> 01:17:51,780
I've seen this on social media today

2037
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,060
since posting that video that so many

2038
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,400
people are reading these short quotes

2039
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,040
from these uh important people and

2040
01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:00,960
really coming up with absolute opposites

2041
01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:02,580
depending how you see it and so that's

2042
01:18:06,590 --> 01:18:04,620
funny that Katie and I both just did

2043
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,600
exactly the same thing there and it just

2044
01:18:12,169 --> 01:18:08,880
goes to see that when they're not using

2045
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:12,179
really defined phrases and words and

2046
01:18:16,189 --> 01:18:14,100
they they are being vague that it can be

2047
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:16,199
interpreted and this is where we

2048
01:18:21,709 --> 01:18:18,600
the way we end up I suppose

2049
01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:21,719
yeah I mean if I was still in DC

2050
01:18:31,010 --> 01:18:29,090
I'm saying so

2051
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:31,020
what was that about you know and maybe

2052
01:18:35,090 --> 01:18:32,640
maybe that's what we need we need

2053
01:18:37,070 --> 01:18:35,100
someone to start the phone calls and

2054
01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:37,080
just ask for clarification you know

2055
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,020
pepper them every day with tens of phone

2056
01:18:44,209 --> 01:18:42,719
calls until they issue a clarification

2057
01:18:46,189 --> 01:18:44,219
because that's a that's a pretty

2058
01:18:48,590 --> 01:18:46,199
remarkable thing to say whether you're

2059
01:18:50,270 --> 01:18:48,600
claiming it was notable or not

2060
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:50,280
um I'm gonna do that right now I'm

2061
01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:51,840
getting in touch with his prep person

2062
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:54,179
and ask him to Define no to be alarming

2063
01:18:57,770 --> 01:18:56,040
but from you know I'll do the same thing

2064
01:18:59,149 --> 01:18:57,780
I'll do the same thing I'll get off and

2065
01:19:00,770 --> 01:18:59,159
I'm going to call his office and say I

2066
01:19:01,870 --> 01:19:00,780
would like an explanation of what debris

2067
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,880
you mean

2068
01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:04,320
amazing amazing but this is the thing

2069
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:06,060
you know these people are put onto these

2070
01:19:11,149 --> 01:19:08,699
like Fox News CNN and all it'll take is

2071
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:11,159
one slip up from one of these people and

2072
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:13,080
like we're we can latch onto something

2073
01:19:18,370 --> 01:19:16,320
really meaty you know so let's hope that

2074
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:18,380
we get that soon

2075
01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:21,360
Joe Biden accidentally

2076
01:19:24,590 --> 01:19:22,860
um led the charge into making gay

2077
01:19:27,290 --> 01:19:24,600
marriage illegal you know sometimes a

2078
01:19:29,689 --> 01:19:27,300
little slip actually results in policy

2079
01:19:31,550 --> 01:19:29,699
you know it had happened before it can

2080
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:31,560
happen again so

2081
01:19:36,169 --> 01:19:34,560
yeah let's get that debris info yeah it

2082
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:36,179
was good to have like

2083
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,159
to a certain extent confirmation let's

2084
01:19:42,169 --> 01:19:40,080
say if it is the case because I've been

2085
01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:42,179
told that you know there's been multiple

2086
01:19:47,209 --> 01:19:45,540
testimonies from people allegedly

2087
01:19:49,130 --> 01:19:47,219
involved with these

2088
01:19:52,010 --> 01:19:49,140
um programs and they have provide

2089
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:52,020
verifiable information look as I said

2090
01:19:56,209 --> 01:19:53,880
before the the Senate Intel committee

2091
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:56,219
doesn't wake up one day and said you

2092
01:19:58,610 --> 01:19:57,360
know what I'm going to get my pen right

2093
01:20:01,130 --> 01:19:58,620
here I'm going to start drafting this

2094
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,140
language right UFO whistleblow language

2095
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:03,360
that doesn't come from nowhere I mean

2096
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:05,040
they've had had a good reason to do it

2097
01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:06,780
and they have they've been talking to

2098
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:08,460
these people behind the scenes for a

2099
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:11,400
long time now and um that's where this

2100
01:20:14,510 --> 01:20:13,080
language has come from and you know what

2101
01:20:15,709 --> 01:20:14,520
only more whistle players have come

2102
01:20:17,870 --> 01:20:15,719
forward and they continue to come

2103
01:20:20,209 --> 01:20:17,880
forward from what I am hearing from

2104
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,219
what's going on behind the scenes and I

2105
01:20:24,830 --> 01:20:22,080
think sooner or later a decision will

2106
01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:24,840
have to be made from Congress if it if

2107
01:20:31,070 --> 01:20:25,800
they are

2108
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:31,080
is correct

2109
01:20:34,970 --> 01:20:33,540
and they've got all the answers that

2110
01:20:37,970 --> 01:20:34,980
they've asked

2111
01:20:40,669 --> 01:20:37,980
which at what point do they decide okay

2112
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,679
do we go public about this and if you do

2113
01:20:44,810 --> 01:20:42,239
to what extent do we go public about

2114
01:20:47,229 --> 01:20:44,820
this do we go public about these

2115
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:47,239
programs do we go public about apparent

2116
01:20:51,770 --> 01:20:50,100
non-human intelligence how is all that

2117
01:20:54,530 --> 01:20:51,780
handled

2118
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:54,540
um they're the big questions aren't they

2119
01:20:58,490 --> 01:20:56,820
that's what needs to be worked out but

2120
01:21:00,410 --> 01:20:58,500
it feels good to be getting there we

2121
01:21:02,270 --> 01:21:00,420
heard Gary Nolan speaking I think

2122
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:02,280
yesterday or the day before he's aware

2123
01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:04,080
of three people who have already

2124
01:21:07,850 --> 01:21:05,820
testified and these are not people we're

2125
01:21:10,189 --> 01:21:07,860
familiar with in the UFO Community these

2126
01:21:12,350 --> 01:21:10,199
would probably be people associated with

2127
01:21:14,689 --> 01:21:12,360
Legacy programs to some degree so I mean

2128
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:14,699
that's very encouraging I don't want it

2129
01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:17,760
to be just UFO Talking Heads all the

2130
01:21:22,189 --> 01:21:20,760
time you know that's not what we want so

2131
01:21:26,990 --> 01:21:22,199
yeah

2132
01:21:28,729 --> 01:21:27,000
I think we've covered everything there I

2133
01:21:30,110 --> 01:21:28,739
mean we could really dial delve deeper

2134
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:30,120
and deeper but you know I think we've

2135
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:32,520
covered the basics and like Katie has

2136
01:21:35,810 --> 01:21:34,380
said you know go out there read these

2137
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,820
things for yourself make your own

2138
01:21:39,410 --> 01:21:37,679
conclusions draw your own opinions and

2139
01:21:40,610 --> 01:21:39,420
and I think that is definitely best

2140
01:21:42,350 --> 01:21:40,620
because then we can all come together

2141
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:42,360
and have these conversations online

2142
01:21:46,189 --> 01:21:44,640
about the different thoughts on it and

2143
01:21:48,830 --> 01:21:46,199
putting our heads together may help us

2144
01:21:51,649 --> 01:21:48,840
come to more understandings and things

2145
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:51,659
maybe not but it can't hurt I just want

2146
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:52,980
to give a shout out to everyone in the

2147
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:55,020
live chat uh cake era here with the 20

2148
01:21:58,850 --> 01:21:56,880
pound donation thank you so much I

2149
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,860
really appreciate that

2150
01:22:02,330 --> 01:22:00,480
um I don't you know beg for these things

2151
01:22:04,370 --> 01:22:02,340
uh so I really do appreciate everything

2152
01:22:07,310 --> 01:22:04,380
that you guys donate to the work that I

2153
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:07,320
do because it all really helps

2154
01:22:12,169 --> 01:22:10,320
um Katie Chris thank you so much um I do

2155
01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:12,179
I suppose I should have to give a good

2156
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:13,980
shout out to my friend Lou Elizondo

2157
01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:17,040
again for being so um free with his time

2158
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,320
for me to speak about the report and

2159
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,880
yeah guys thank you so much for being

2160
01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:22,800
here I really really do value you your

2161
01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:25,380
input it really does mean the world to

2162
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,060
me as does your friendship so thank you

2163
01:22:32,930 --> 01:22:31,310
so yeah guys everyone in the live chat

2164
01:22:35,630 --> 01:22:32,940
again thank you so much I'm going to be

2165
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,640
back on Wednesday with Tom Reed to talk

2166
01:22:41,209 --> 01:22:37,920
about his uh work in the UFO field his

2167
01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:41,219
sighting and more so yeah come and find

2168
01:22:45,950 --> 01:22:42,840
me on Wednesday hang out in the live